On authors as people

[tamaranth]

There is currently a discussion* about various authors' views on fanfiction. Like previous discussions (RaceFail springs to mind) this has led to some unpleasant comments and some ad hominem attacks. (Whatever happened to polite disagreement?)

If an author expresses views that I don't agree with -- or even views that I regard as morally wrong -- it does not mean that the author's works suddenly, retrospectively, lose their quality. ("I used to like X's books, but ...") It does not mean that the author's friends, co-authors, etc share those views. It means that the author is expressing personal views: and the author-as-person is not the same as the author-as-author.

Yes, people write from themselves, but not everything they believe or think or feel will be in their writing, and not everything in their writing will be what they believe or think or feel. (I was somewhat disturbed by one author's reaction to one of her characters being loathed: 'that's me you're talking about'. NO-NO-NO, it's a creation. It's something, someone, you imagined. The fact that I can write about a murderer doesn't make me a murderer. And if people loathe your villain, UR DOIN IT RITE.)

I think the internet makes it easier to be (or to be read as) rude, aggressive, mendacious, and threatening. And wrong. But it's not impossible to be civilised online.

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*I'm being polite

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[http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/]

Some people do invest very heavily in their characters, of course, and there is a feeling of hurt when the character is -- from the writer's pov -- misunderstood or misrepresented. (I did not appreciate some of the comments on Gracielis and Mary Sue. Because, you know, I so do not want his life and I so resent people thinking they can see into my head). This can happen in readers/viewers, too -- I have encountered fanfic writers who have a huge sense of ownership of a canon character and can be very unreasonable about it. And, as you note, people do seem to be much ruder on the web than in real life, doubtless because it feels less personal. I
In a better world, we would all treat each other as real breathing people who can be hurt and not just lash out in fear. In this case, I'm glad to say there is a fair amount of the latter going on, which is great. (Applauds tamaranth and katelliott.

[annafdd.livejournal.com]

Counting the time before you are accused of the Tone Argument: one, two, three...

[tamaranth.livejournal.com]

.. counting the time before I am mistaken for you! (or vice versa ...)

[tamaranth.livejournal.com]

My general reaction to the Tone Argument is that I object to content, not tone, and if they can't phrase what they want to say in an unambiguous manner then that is their problem, not mine.

[lil-shepherd.livejournal.com]

Of course. Equally, because I like a person very much it does not always mean I like their work, or even see their characters the same way as as they do. Nor, if I criticise their work or a particular view/belief of theirs, does it mean I am criticising them as a person. *sigh*

Likewise, an actor is not the character in a TV series and it as well not to assume that the character has the same characteristics as the actor. There are TV and film characters I adore while I think the actor/director/writer is a total prat.

We all have to remember, also, that our internet personas are very different from the way we are in reality, even if we try to make them the same. People can't intuit that someone who says something they don't like is vulnerable and, when told afterwards, are liable to feel mildly guilty and therefore react with even more venom.

Whoops! Edited twice for grammar fail and making a comment on the wrong thread. With apologies.

[nancylebov.livejournal.com]

I don't know whether it's the same thing, but Spider Robinson managed to comprehensively revolt me with Very Bad Deaths, and, while I'd been getting disenchanted with his work before that, I then found that the Suck Fairy had ruined his earlier work for me.

In particular, his smug attitude that you can just people's worthiness by their taste (which originally seemed like assertive fun) became totally grating.

That wasn't my problem with Very Bad Deaths-- he's got quite a sadistic imagination.

[tamaranth.livejournal.com]

I think it is a different thing, to be put off by a work and feel differently about the author's previous. It's quite subjective (like the reason I won't read Harlan Ellison: read 'A Dog and His Boy' at the wrong time) but we are all subjective readers (and writers).

Trying to think logically about whether one's emotional response should revise one's previous opinions is ... difficult. I'm thinking of a situation where someone is subjectively offended or upset by an author's work or author-as-person behaviour: it's hard to say that they shouldn't let that reaction change their opinions. On the other hand (how many hands am I going to need for this?!) a subjective response might not be a valid reason for objective action: if someone is offended by an author's behaviour, are they right to remove author's books from a course list, or to stop stocking that author's books in a bookshop? I don't know: I have no answers. And yet it all springs from subjectivity.

[seph-hazard.livejournal.com]

If an author expresses views that I don't agree with -- or even views that I regard as morally wrong -- it does not mean that the author's works suddenly, retrospectively, lose their quality.

Thisthisthis. It drives me mad, actually. Bad people can be good writers. (And good people can be bad writers, which is something fanfiction often suffers from [laughs])