2. The T5 is somewhat eccentric compared to the T3 in the software stability department, but the battery life is massively better.
3. The Treo 650 (unlike anything else in Palm's current line-up) has user-replaceable rechargable LiIon batteries. If you can get one cheap on a mobile phone contract, a spare battery is about £20. It's also got a good lifetime on each battery.
4. Don't know about the Tungsten E models or the TT, although word is that the TT is comparable to the T5 except when using WiFi.
5. WiFi in general sucks juice like there's no tomorrow.
6. The Lifedrive, although a bit bulky and possessed of a spinning hard drive, has a good lifetime except when making heavy use of WiFi (see point 5 above).
7. There's a firm out there who make battery booster packs for the new model palms -- you load 'em with four AA cells (they'll take NiMH rechargables if you want) and plug them into the PDA just like the mains adapter -- and they sell on eBay for about £5 plus shipping.
1. Mine's somewhere in Crawley. Probably. And has not been found where I think I left it.
2. Any idea whether it's specific software that's unstable, or the beast in general?
3. Inclined to keep phone and PDA separate, purely for convenience
4. TT pretty
5. But would use WiFi pretty rarely. (Handy for updates from Furn Parts, and quick email check, but whole point is usually to get away from Interweb). However, it does seem daft to upgrade and not make use of all the free WiFi spots in Brighton.
6. SHINY! WANT! Tho' perhaps had better be offered Paid Employment before I spend that much. How much is 'a good lifetime'?
7. The rechargers sound pretty good -- though I have one for the T3 which isn't that effective ...
A quick glance at Palm site inclines me to TX (http://eurostore.palm.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/ConsumerEN/en_US/-/GBP/ViewProduct-Start;sid=23Jml4zjhD5mls9lK3W-Yqxn1PXhGc3lhlg=?ProductID=ZV7Y9SCrLY8AAAEG1qJtPOND&CatalogCategoryID=7UTY9SCrpKIAAAEGhV4VbJtg) or LifeDrive (http://eurostore.palm.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/ConsumerEN/en_US/-/GBP/ViewProduct-Start;sid=23Jml4zjhD5mls9lK3W-Yqxn1PXhGc3lhlg=?ProductID=_enY9SCrkZcAAAEGgdoVbJth&CatalogCategoryID=qjLY9SCrrqgAAAEGQl0VbJtg).
A quick glance at bank balance inclines me to this (http://www.viking-direct.co.uk/(dbysucmbs0y1hf45xroeto45)/catalogSku.aspx?id=JM021&N=6%20594&PR=V2D&brmd=consumer) ...
Instability in the T5 is due to Palm's switch to using non-volatile FLASH instead of RAM. On the one hand, it doesn't lose its memory when you run out of juice. On the other hand, a lot of software broke and had to be re-released. The machines were notoriously flaky at first, until Palm issued a firmware update.
The same FLASH memory architecture is used in the Treo 650, TT, and Lifedrive, so it's more an issue surrounding new palms in general than just the T5 -- the T5 was the first. PalmOS 5.4.n is in general a bit flaky (like MacOS 7.x) and I'm tapping my fingers waiting for them to replace it.
NB: I have a spare T5 that isn't in use any longer that I can be pursuaded to sell second-hand. (With trimmings including leather case and Palm WiFi card.) Prod me by email if you're interested.
Not sure how it compares, but Morgan's on New Oxford Street are selling the Palm Tungsten W (http://www.morgancomputers.co.uk/shop/detail.asp?ProductID=3026) for £117.50
Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tungsten_T3#Tungsten_W) suggests that it has a phenomenal battery life, but has other drawbacks (see both links for details).
age not a problem -- the current backup is a Handspring Neo, vintage 2001, with Real Batteries, 8MB, monochrome ... On the one hand, leading-edge stuff shiny and pretty, and would enable me to make use of the free wi-fi on Brighton Beach (though perhaps not today). On the other, it seems likely that I'll still be spending a lot of time on trains (e.g. off to Plymouth tomorrow) and something with good battery life, that lets me read, write and play silly card games, is worth more to me than something shiny that runs out around Taunton.
OK. Tungsten W: GSM mobile phone with GPRS data, dual band, Palm side is a 68000 running at 40MHz with 8Mb RAM, SD card slot -- doesn't support WiFi or Bluetooth. Has a 160x160 colour screen and a thumb keyboard rather than graffiti. Dates to 2002, IIRC.
Given what Morgan are asking for the things, I'd be asking rather less for my 400MHz hi-res T5. Hell, you can buy a brand new Tungsten E2 for less. I think they're either taking the piss, or shamelessly exploiting the market comprising folks on pay monthly mobile tarrifs who want smartphones.
Actually, here's a full disclosure thing: you might want to bear in mind that the telcos can cut you a really good deal on your next PDA if you're on a non-basic pay monthly tarriff and are willing to combine your PDA with your mobile phone. I'm thinking in particular that if you've got a good record you might be able to get a Treo 650 out of Orange or T-Mobile for a lot less than the headline rate (currently £400 if you want to buy an unlocked one, of £160 if you buy a locked one on pay monthly from Orange).
I'd look at the specs and check the amp hours for each battery.
In the case of PDA Batteries, a milliAmp hour (mAh) is most commonly used. Note that 1000 mAh is the same a 1 Ah. (Just as 1000mm equals 1 meter.) Note that Amp hours do not dictate the flow of electrons at any given moment. PDA batteries with a 1 Amp hour rating could deliver ½ Amp of current for 2 hours, or they could provide 2 Amps of current for ½ hour.
Typically, PDA Batteries will use 1 to 3 Amps per hour, depending on the model's processor speed, screen size, screen brightness adjustment, usage, and other factors. http://ezinearticles.com/?Amps,-Volts,-and-MAh&id=91095 is a useful page
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Date: Friday, November 25th, 2005 10:42 am (UTC)But some personal experiences:
1. You know, I think, what the T3 is like.
2. The T5 is somewhat eccentric compared to the T3 in the software stability department, but the battery life is massively better.
3. The Treo 650 (unlike anything else in Palm's current line-up) has user-replaceable rechargable LiIon batteries. If you can get one cheap on a mobile phone contract, a spare battery is about £20. It's also got a good lifetime on each battery.
4. Don't know about the Tungsten E models or the TT, although word is that the TT is comparable to the T5 except when using WiFi.
5. WiFi in general sucks juice like there's no tomorrow.
6. The Lifedrive, although a bit bulky and possessed of a spinning hard drive, has a good lifetime except when making heavy use of WiFi (see point 5 above).
7. There's a firm out there who make battery booster packs for the new model palms -- you load 'em with four AA cells (they'll take NiMH rechargables if you want) and plug them into the PDA just like the mains adapter -- and they sell on eBay for about £5 plus shipping.
Thanks for this!
Date: Friday, November 25th, 2005 11:19 am (UTC)2. Any idea whether it's specific software that's unstable, or the beast in general?
3. Inclined to keep phone and PDA separate, purely for convenience
4. TT pretty
5. But would use WiFi pretty rarely. (Handy for updates from Furn Parts, and quick email check, but whole point is usually to get away from Interweb). However, it does seem daft to upgrade and not make use of all the free WiFi spots in Brighton.
6. SHINY! WANT! Tho' perhaps had better be offered Paid Employment before I spend that much.
How much is 'a good lifetime'?
7. The rechargers sound pretty good -- though I have one for the T3 which isn't that effective ...
A quick glance at Palm site inclines me to TX (http://eurostore.palm.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/ConsumerEN/en_US/-/GBP/ViewProduct-Start;sid=23Jml4zjhD5mls9lK3W-Yqxn1PXhGc3lhlg=?ProductID=ZV7Y9SCrLY8AAAEG1qJtPOND&CatalogCategoryID=7UTY9SCrpKIAAAEGhV4VbJtg) or LifeDrive (http://eurostore.palm.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/ConsumerEN/en_US/-/GBP/ViewProduct-Start;sid=23Jml4zjhD5mls9lK3W-Yqxn1PXhGc3lhlg=?ProductID=_enY9SCrkZcAAAEGgdoVbJth&CatalogCategoryID=qjLY9SCrrqgAAAEGQl0VbJtg).
A quick glance at bank balance inclines me to this (http://www.viking-direct.co.uk/(dbysucmbs0y1hf45xroeto45)/catalogSku.aspx?id=JM021&N=6%20594&PR=V2D&brmd=consumer) ...
Re: Thanks for this!
Date: Friday, November 25th, 2005 11:54 am (UTC)The same FLASH memory architecture is used in the Treo 650, TT, and Lifedrive, so it's more an issue surrounding new palms in general than just the T5 -- the T5 was the first. PalmOS 5.4.n is in general a bit flaky (like MacOS 7.x) and I'm tapping my fingers waiting for them to replace it.
NB: I have a spare T5 that isn't in use any longer that I can be pursuaded to sell second-hand. (With trimmings including leather case and Palm WiFi card.) Prod me by email if you're interested.
Re: Thanks for this!
Date: Friday, November 25th, 2005 03:29 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: Friday, November 25th, 2005 02:42 pm (UTC)Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tungsten_T3#Tungsten_W) suggests that it has a phenomenal battery life, but has other drawbacks (see both links for details).
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Date: Friday, November 25th, 2005 03:06 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: Friday, November 25th, 2005 03:14 pm (UTC)And besides, not all us want to live at the bleeding edge of the technological zeitgeist! (Would like to, but can't afford it.)
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Date: Friday, November 25th, 2005 03:19 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: Friday, November 25th, 2005 08:44 pm (UTC)Given what Morgan are asking for the things, I'd be asking rather less for my 400MHz hi-res T5. Hell, you can buy a brand new Tungsten E2 for less. I think they're either taking the piss, or shamelessly exploiting the market comprising folks on pay monthly mobile tarrifs who want smartphones.
Actually, here's a full disclosure thing: you might want to bear in mind that the telcos can cut you a really good deal on your next PDA if you're on a non-basic pay monthly tarriff and are willing to combine your PDA with your mobile phone. I'm thinking in particular that if you've got a good record you might be able to get a Treo 650 out of Orange or T-Mobile for a lot less than the headline rate (currently £400 if you want to buy an unlocked one, of £160 if you buy a locked one on pay monthly from Orange).
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Date: Saturday, November 26th, 2005 04:53 pm (UTC)In the case of PDA Batteries, a milliAmp hour (mAh) is most commonly used. Note that 1000 mAh is the same a 1 Ah. (Just as 1000mm equals 1 meter.) Note that Amp hours do not dictate the flow of electrons at any given moment. PDA batteries with a 1 Amp hour rating could deliver ½ Amp of current for 2 hours, or they could provide 2 Amps of current for ½ hour.
Typically, PDA Batteries will use 1 to 3 Amps per hour, depending on the model's processor speed, screen size, screen brightness adjustment, usage, and other factors.
http://ezinearticles.com/?Amps,-Volts,-and-MAh&id=91095 is a useful page